So does that mean everyone who had covid has lungs aged 15 years? Or only those who had pneumonia with covid? Also, since hypothetically the spike proteins damage the micro vessels from what I understand whether by covid infection alone or covid vaccines, what is the amount of aging with vaccines alone? I have noticed some ppl have aged a lot in a short time it seems.
Well, since nearly everyone on Earth has had covid at least once by now, according to antibody and T-cell studies, it is probably not true for everyone.
When I had covid (delta wave) I noticed a small drop in breathing capacity around day 7 to 10, which went away. Since then I have had normal lung function. I hike most days at 7000 to 10000 ft, I think I would notice at the higher altitudes. So I there must be hope.
I think SARS1 spike protein did this to people's lungs too. One of my classmates at nutrition school in 2003 in Toronto got SARS1 from his contact with the first Chinese-Canadian hospital patients, as a lab tech taking blood. He was a healthy young man but got very ill very fast and couldn't breathe, had to be ventilated in ICU. He did recover, but with what he felt was permanent lung damage. Our classes were cancelled for a month due to the risk that he may have spread it to other students, but no one else got sick. All the domestic patients including health care staff were close contact cases. The other cases had come from Wuhan area. We were told it was a bioweapon release even back then.
That's the trillion dollar question. Walter knows we all want that question answered. Definitive research that showed differences for mechanism of injury as between infected and uninfected, jabbed and unjabbed, would be much harder to publish. But eventually we'll find out . . . at what cost to society?
Agreed. However number of protein subunits from vaccination vs. infection is different. With vaccination now thought to produce many more spike, I think. Of course not acknowledged by "the science" yet.
Nah, addontbelivit! I'm as healthy as ever. Took an antigen test that showed I had antibodies back in February after having had bronchitis in December '21 which could have been "it". If the test was any good (which I doubt) So dunno.. But really.. 15 years no matter how severe? Nah..
What is your age (range is fine). If you are over 70, I doubt your results would be so wonderful. But a 30-year old aging 15 years could still be at his prime, more or less, and feel just fine for now.
Not really for me to say. Only that I think seniors can still be healthy regardless of positive tests or getting the shots. I don't see it as a one moment in time sort of thing for most people, but rather how the uniqueness of a person evolves over time for any number of reasons including toxins and emotional impacts and management which can affect the body.
For me personally everything seemed fine. I remain and was healthy in 2020, no cold or flu or anything. However, I did notice a couple times when out for a jog, I got a stye in my eye when I returned home. Once I had a small tender purple dot on the side of my foot. Not a bruise. Went away the next day. That's all. Sometimes I think if there was a virus or bacteria, my body was able to fight it, but I do wonder whether I was exposed to toxins in the air outside.
Relatively new here, and also grateful for the brilliant minds on the case, so to speak. But, are there any bright sides to this info? E.g. therapies, protocols etc. for resolution/healing?
Yes. The good news is that the doctors who've gotten good results with early treatments are saying "Don't give up hope. We can fix this". Doctor Fleming & doctor Marik for example. The fact that they got good results gives me confidence in their statements. Unlike the other 99% of the medical "profession" who let people suffer and die by withholding early treatments to collect a paycheck.
There will be a huge market for spike protein remediation. I like the one from flccc.net but there are others. Theirs is called "I-Recover: Post Vaccine Treatment"
I hope you do write one—and that with links. I also would like to see a spreadsheet or a comparison/contrast sheet for the various treatments. All of us would prefer to take something that is on all suggested lists! Then the question would be dosage. I worked on such a chart over a year ago but the suggestions have changed. Besides, I never finished it. If there were an excellent chart then perhaps a group effort could keep it updated. I may still have a list of references, if that would help.
I bought it yeeeeears ago but never took it because I subsequently read that it has little spikey things which can damage the liver? kidneys? I meant to research it again because Zeolite sure finds mention frequently. Would love to know of any seminal studies!
Hi, thank you, I posted similar a FLCCC link, just one is a redirect. There are different protocols for prevention, short and long covid, and the post-"vaccine" as you mentioned. I believe this article is more about covid than the shots, but there is a lot of overlap. I agree there is hope. I enjoy reading the longer documents with detail descriptions. I think it's important to consider each protocol would need to be tailored to the individual and even then results may vary. Doing too much at once at the same might be too hard to figure out what's working and what is not for example.
this is exactly what happened to me. my O2 sats appear good but my energy (mitochondrial function???) is just zapped. This was definitely to help with the 120 trillion unfunded liabilities (social security, medicaid and medicare) that the governments had to deal with. They chose Satanic means to achieve their ends but I believe something even bigger is getting set up.
But considering that so many people have had Covid to some degree or other (especially as the 'vaccines' dont prevent infection and worse still, reinfection), wouldn't we see examples of sports men and women struggling with their +15 year lung capacity. We've witness them collapsing but that seemed more heart related, not just wheezing and gasping for air like an old person ?
From the article ... "When analyzing the participants’ breathing, it was determined that their diffusion capacity for the lung was greatly impaired. So much so that it was the equivalent of approximately 15 years of aging on the lung, irrespective of COVID severity"
It seems a bit counter intuitive to me that the severity of infection (esp in the lungs) wouldn't be a factor
Indeed, that is the biggest hole in this story. Surely nearly all of us would be wheezing and gasping for air right now? Reminds me of the bandied-about 1 in 5 statistic about Long Covid. If simply getting infected carried a 1 in 5 risk of Long Covid, and practically everyone had the virus by now at least once if not twice or more, then every single one of us would know at least one if not several people who currently has Long Covid right now. Which is not the case. Thus, the 1 in 5 statistic is off by at least an order of magnitude, and likely close to nil for asymptomatic infections.
.....Walter, presently watching your conference call with JR, Kevin, Sparty, Matthew, Charles & Johanna - would VERY much like to share details of my own research, primary area of focus for QUITE some time now - significant ecosystemic (likely WEAPONIZED) compromises to biomagnetic reconciliation, and how it might DIRECTLY skew with yours, ASAP; for example, it's KNOWN that telomere lengths are related to BOTH rate of aging and ability to utilize infrared-spectrum solar radiation - truly ESSENTIAL to facilitating life, for reasons Professor Gerald Pollack has articulated WELL in his books 'Cells, Gels & The Engine Of Life' and 'The Fourth Phase Of Water' (i.e., 'plasma'.....)
.....if you have an email address or webpage - I'm staying FAR away from LI - there could be some VALUABLE insights to exchange.....
Studies from patients in ICU who had Covid-19? What about the treatment protocol employed in handlingntheir condition? Mightn that be a source of the damage to lung tissues?
SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Paracrine Senescence and Leukocyte Adhesion in Endothelial Cells
EXCERPT: "Our present study revealed that SARS-CoV-2-infected epithelial cells undergo senescence, which promotes paracrine signaling to induce senescence in other tissues or cells, leading to endothelial dysfunction or microvascular complication. The reversal of senescence demonstrated in this study may be extended to clinical applications to alleviate disease severity and act as a potential adjunct therapy to reduce COVID-19 mortality."
So does that mean everyone who had covid has lungs aged 15 years? Or only those who had pneumonia with covid? Also, since hypothetically the spike proteins damage the micro vessels from what I understand whether by covid infection alone or covid vaccines, what is the amount of aging with vaccines alone? I have noticed some ppl have aged a lot in a short time it seems.
it says 'regardless of severity'
Which is precisely why I am so skeptical about it.
Well, since nearly everyone on Earth has had covid at least once by now, according to antibody and T-cell studies, it is probably not true for everyone.
When I had covid (delta wave) I noticed a small drop in breathing capacity around day 7 to 10, which went away. Since then I have had normal lung function. I hike most days at 7000 to 10000 ft, I think I would notice at the higher altitudes. So I there must be hope.
I think SARS1 spike protein did this to people's lungs too. One of my classmates at nutrition school in 2003 in Toronto got SARS1 from his contact with the first Chinese-Canadian hospital patients, as a lab tech taking blood. He was a healthy young man but got very ill very fast and couldn't breathe, had to be ventilated in ICU. He did recover, but with what he felt was permanent lung damage. Our classes were cancelled for a month due to the risk that he may have spread it to other students, but no one else got sick. All the domestic patients including health care staff were close contact cases. The other cases had come from Wuhan area. We were told it was a bioweapon release even back then.
Walter, is there any differentiation of these findings between people who had COVID + Vax versus those that only had COVID?
That's the trillion dollar question. Walter knows we all want that question answered. Definitive research that showed differences for mechanism of injury as between infected and uninfected, jabbed and unjabbed, would be much harder to publish. But eventually we'll find out . . . at what cost to society?
Walter did state before that spike protein is spike protein....
Agreed. However number of protein subunits from vaccination vs. infection is different. With vaccination now thought to produce many more spike, I think. Of course not acknowledged by "the science" yet.
Nah, addontbelivit! I'm as healthy as ever. Took an antigen test that showed I had antibodies back in February after having had bronchitis in December '21 which could have been "it". If the test was any good (which I doubt) So dunno.. But really.. 15 years no matter how severe? Nah..
What is your age (range is fine). If you are over 70, I doubt your results would be so wonderful. But a 30-year old aging 15 years could still be at his prime, more or less, and feel just fine for now.
My mom is 82 and no problems. Then again, she lives a healthy life.
Was she jabbed?
Not really for me to say. Only that I think seniors can still be healthy regardless of positive tests or getting the shots. I don't see it as a one moment in time sort of thing for most people, but rather how the uniqueness of a person evolves over time for any number of reasons including toxins and emotional impacts and management which can affect the body.
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For me personally everything seemed fine. I remain and was healthy in 2020, no cold or flu or anything. However, I did notice a couple times when out for a jog, I got a stye in my eye when I returned home. Once I had a small tender purple dot on the side of my foot. Not a bruise. Went away the next day. That's all. Sometimes I think if there was a virus or bacteria, my body was able to fight it, but I do wonder whether I was exposed to toxins in the air outside.
Indeed, seems a little farfetched
Relatively new here, and also grateful for the brilliant minds on the case, so to speak. But, are there any bright sides to this info? E.g. therapies, protocols etc. for resolution/healing?
If you go through Walter’s other posts both he and the commenters have hopeful suggestions:)
Yes. The good news is that the doctors who've gotten good results with early treatments are saying "Don't give up hope. We can fix this". Doctor Fleming & doctor Marik for example. The fact that they got good results gives me confidence in their statements. Unlike the other 99% of the medical "profession" who let people suffer and die by withholding early treatments to collect a paycheck.
There will be a huge market for spike protein remediation. I like the one from flccc.net but there are others. Theirs is called "I-Recover: Post Vaccine Treatment"
I'm thinking about writing a post on "detox on a budget" but my hesitation is whether detox requires supplements or not post-"vaccine"
I hope you do write one—and that with links. I also would like to see a spreadsheet or a comparison/contrast sheet for the various treatments. All of us would prefer to take something that is on all suggested lists! Then the question would be dosage. I worked on such a chart over a year ago but the suggestions have changed. Besides, I never finished it. If there were an excellent chart then perhaps a group effort could keep it updated. I may still have a list of references, if that would help.
One friend of mine swears by Zeolite for detox.
I bought it yeeeeears ago but never took it because I subsequently read that it has little spikey things which can damage the liver? kidneys? I meant to research it again because Zeolite sure finds mention frequently. Would love to know of any seminal studies!
The new Zeolite is 'Nano' .I buy mine from Avini Health and they claim they have the science.
You’re a gem! Will look into it:)
Hi, thank you, I posted similar a FLCCC link, just one is a redirect. There are different protocols for prevention, short and long covid, and the post-"vaccine" as you mentioned. I believe this article is more about covid than the shots, but there is a lot of overlap. I agree there is hope. I enjoy reading the longer documents with detail descriptions. I think it's important to consider each protocol would need to be tailored to the individual and even then results may vary. Doing too much at once at the same might be too hard to figure out what's working and what is not for example.
Also: https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/digital-detox/
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/ There are short and more detailed documents to choose from.
this is exactly what happened to me. my O2 sats appear good but my energy (mitochondrial function???) is just zapped. This was definitely to help with the 120 trillion unfunded liabilities (social security, medicaid and medicare) that the governments had to deal with. They chose Satanic means to achieve their ends but I believe something even bigger is getting set up.
"Most people will only get mild symptoms & fully recover", they said....
As for the more severe cases - I understand that mechanical ventilation alone can leave a person crippled for years.
But considering that so many people have had Covid to some degree or other (especially as the 'vaccines' dont prevent infection and worse still, reinfection), wouldn't we see examples of sports men and women struggling with their +15 year lung capacity. We've witness them collapsing but that seemed more heart related, not just wheezing and gasping for air like an old person ?
True. Many people seem unaffected. They probably had mild covid.
From the article ... "When analyzing the participants’ breathing, it was determined that their diffusion capacity for the lung was greatly impaired. So much so that it was the equivalent of approximately 15 years of aging on the lung, irrespective of COVID severity"
It seems a bit counter intuitive to me that the severity of infection (esp in the lungs) wouldn't be a factor
Indeed, that is a bit odd
Indeed, that is the biggest hole in this story. Surely nearly all of us would be wheezing and gasping for air right now? Reminds me of the bandied-about 1 in 5 statistic about Long Covid. If simply getting infected carried a 1 in 5 risk of Long Covid, and practically everyone had the virus by now at least once if not twice or more, then every single one of us would know at least one if not several people who currently has Long Covid right now. Which is not the case. Thus, the 1 in 5 statistic is off by at least an order of magnitude, and likely close to nil for asymptomatic infections.
I can confirm that Walter is right. The extent depends on the mitochondria.
Tell us more please.
.....WHICH as Arthur Firstenberg has asserted, goes to PARTICULAR compromise of the metabolic electron-transport train / chain.....
This would explain the 20 somethings dropping out of the Tour de France because they couldn't catch their breath.
Were they jabbed, by any chance?
Very likely, especially if they were traveling for competitions and training.
.....Walter, presently watching your conference call with JR, Kevin, Sparty, Matthew, Charles & Johanna - would VERY much like to share details of my own research, primary area of focus for QUITE some time now - significant ecosystemic (likely WEAPONIZED) compromises to biomagnetic reconciliation, and how it might DIRECTLY skew with yours, ASAP; for example, it's KNOWN that telomere lengths are related to BOTH rate of aging and ability to utilize infrared-spectrum solar radiation - truly ESSENTIAL to facilitating life, for reasons Professor Gerald Pollack has articulated WELL in his books 'Cells, Gels & The Engine Of Life' and 'The Fourth Phase Of Water' (i.e., 'plasma'.....)
.....if you have an email address or webpage - I'm staying FAR away from LI - there could be some VALUABLE insights to exchange.....
Omigosh. This is EXACTLY what I said mid 2020. Ages high-risk people by 15 years.
Studies from patients in ICU who had Covid-19? What about the treatment protocol employed in handlingntheir condition? Mightn that be a source of the damage to lung tissues?
Ding ding ding!
Walter, I just saw this thread on twitter about XBB. What is going on?
https://mobile.twitter.com/prima__facie/status/1579182779350515712
As always, thank you, Wondrous Walter!
And the role of senescence?
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21
SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Paracrine Senescence and Leukocyte Adhesion in Endothelial Cells
EXCERPT: "Our present study revealed that SARS-CoV-2-infected epithelial cells undergo senescence, which promotes paracrine signaling to induce senescence in other tissues or cells, leading to endothelial dysfunction or microvascular complication. The reversal of senescence demonstrated in this study may be extended to clinical applications to alleviate disease severity and act as a potential adjunct therapy to reduce COVID-19 mortality."