Thanks for this Walter. Are you aware of the research of MIT Phd Seneff who discusses how Vit D supplementation can give our bodies a false signal, so we don't produce enough of the right kind of D through sulfation by UV-B light and cholesterol?:
Great information. Thank you Walter. The role of vitamin D in forming GcMAF (macrophage activating factor) may be an important link to reduction of cell adhesion.
Effects of Vitamin D3-Binding Protein-Derived Macrophage Activating Factor (GcMAF) on Angiogenesis (2023). Kanda et al.
I took 4,000 - 10,000 units a day of Vitamin D throughout the pandemic. Two years in, it made me very sick. I got extreme cramping in my muscles, eye twitches, heart palpitations, very high blood pressure and a number of other very scary symptoms. I didn't get Covid, or if I did, it was very mild. But the price was too high. It took after stopping D supplements and taking large amounts of Magnesium malate, CoQ10, Cod Liver Oil & consuming Natto everyday about a year for my symptoms to subside. I will never, ever, supplement Vitamin D again for I fear it caused me to have hypercalcemia. I make a point of getting my D from sun exposure every day during the summer months and eating foods naturally rich in D during the winter months. In case anyone didn't know, the active ingredient in D-Con Rat Poison is Vitamin D. It calcifies the rats to death. Just saying.
I've seen this D3 in D-Con rat poison stuff circulating online. A small bit of research reveals that:
"How much vitamin D3 is toxic to a rat? a human?
To have a 50% chance of killing a rat with vitamin D3 would require 100,000 IU (international units) of D3. That’s the amount required to have a 50% death outcome of a 0.5 lb rat.
The equivalent of that would be about 4,000,000 IUs (4 million IUs) given to a human. According to research, that amount could endanger your health, but not kill you."
Additionally, it's important to take Vitamin K2 along with Vitamin D3.
"D3 increases the absorption of calcium, needed for strong bones, and K2 “tells that calcium” where to go – into your bones and NOT your arteries or kidneys."
The above info can be found in many places online. This is one link to it:
Plus for every D we have to metabolize, we use one molecule vitamin A. So if we're already A deficient, this can tip the scale into acute illness quickly.
I am learning a lot about mineral regulation / disregulation & metabolic function. We are subtle creatures and that is why I am very wary now of putting synthetic D and other synthetic vitamins into my body. I obviously made myself sick with my tinkering.
Hey well we all live and learn, right? Happy you're still here and we're raising awareness that way, which is beautiful. The sun can do so much for us by ways of subcellular melatonin (a 2nd type of melatonin).
The symptoms you report sound very very similar to those reported with Covid. Additionally, while I won't speak to the other supplements you mention, nattokinase is being recommended specifically to treat the effects from the spike protein, not of Vitamin D3.
Yes - I am aware of all that. There are quite a few of us who have bad reactions to synthetic Vitamin D - it may be fine for most people. But for some of us, it is toxic and I would rather get mine the natural way, from the sun. I am aware that Nattokinase is being recommended for the spike protein, that doesn't mean it is not beneficial for the reasons I'm taking it.
Natural Vit D3 from sunshine is by far the best, you can see how much healthier the skin and tone of flesh get when the body is exposed to the sun each summer.
Could you supply me with your full scientific source information please, as I have never ever seen this stated by anyone before. It is not possible to overdose on Vit K2.
I myself cannot see any report online validating your assertion that D3 and K2 do not play well together. In fact, rather the opposite is the truth, as without sufficient K2, calcium goes in all the wrong places, and indeed large doses of Vit D3 may cause deficiency in vital K2.
Just wondering because I have never heard of such a reaction to vitamin D. I and all of my family were taking 5000 IU per day since 2020 with no issues.
Same with a lot of my extended family and friends.
Did you ever have your serum hydroxy-vitamin D levels tested? If not, you should have been, especially taking 10,000 units a day. Perhaps you were one who did not need that much and you hurt yourself. Too much of a good thing is still too much…
Vitamin D3 is very much different in its compound effects than real sunlight. When taking high doses Vit D3, yes, you will get hypercalcaemia - lots of calcium in the blood, with major impacts on various systems of the body and the mind, like major psychiatric problems, not being funny there with you, but too much calcium in the blood can really freak people out, to the degree of clinical psychosis being evidenced so the med literature says. High blood calcium can injure various organs and can be fatal, as happens to people with parathyroid tumours.
You are supposed to take sufficient Vit K2 with high doses Vit D3, or you will get seriously messed up. I see you have been taking some K2, but how much?
You want around 250 mcg Vit K2 with say, 5,000 iu a day Vit D3, or else you get calcium depositing in the brain and arteries etc. and causing major problems to various organs in the body. Don't blame D3, blame not taking Vit K2 with it, as K2 makes calcium attracted by additional D3 go into the right places, and stops it going into the wrong places.
Yes, Vit D3 is rat poison for rats, but not for humans, it might make you as a human quite sleepy and relaxed in high does though.
I see you have moderated your use of Vit D3 down from 4,000 - 10,000 units a day of Vitamin D3 throughout the pandemic down to 25 mcg. The Vit K2 level is fine, but the 25 mcg which is the equivalent if 1,000 iu is just the equivalent of a handful of minutes daylight exposure. More sunshine? Besides, the sunlight will give you a whole host of benefits to your health all round that mere Vit D3 cannot provide.
Did you take vitamin D3 or a generic vitamin D? Did you follow the advice of a naturopath or doctor with the level you were taking? There are differences in vitamin Dproducts available and a knowledgeable person may have changed the amount you were on. You may have needed the high dosage initially, but then sounds like you needed to drop that down.
Thanks for this Walter. Are you aware of the research of MIT Phd Seneff who discusses how Vit D supplementation can give our bodies a false signal, so we don't produce enough of the right kind of D through sulfation by UV-B light and cholesterol?:
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/why-vitamin-d-supplements-dont-work
Why UV-B from the Sun is our ultimate supplement:
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/vitamindpodcast#details
Thank you Walter. Excellent news. Have a great weekend. Peace.
Great information. Thank you Walter. The role of vitamin D in forming GcMAF (macrophage activating factor) may be an important link to reduction of cell adhesion.
Effects of Vitamin D3-Binding Protein-Derived Macrophage Activating Factor (GcMAF) on Angiogenesis (2023). Kanda et al.
I took 4,000 - 10,000 units a day of Vitamin D throughout the pandemic. Two years in, it made me very sick. I got extreme cramping in my muscles, eye twitches, heart palpitations, very high blood pressure and a number of other very scary symptoms. I didn't get Covid, or if I did, it was very mild. But the price was too high. It took after stopping D supplements and taking large amounts of Magnesium malate, CoQ10, Cod Liver Oil & consuming Natto everyday about a year for my symptoms to subside. I will never, ever, supplement Vitamin D again for I fear it caused me to have hypercalcemia. I make a point of getting my D from sun exposure every day during the summer months and eating foods naturally rich in D during the winter months. In case anyone didn't know, the active ingredient in D-Con Rat Poison is Vitamin D. It calcifies the rats to death. Just saying.
I've seen this D3 in D-Con rat poison stuff circulating online. A small bit of research reveals that:
"How much vitamin D3 is toxic to a rat? a human?
To have a 50% chance of killing a rat with vitamin D3 would require 100,000 IU (international units) of D3. That’s the amount required to have a 50% death outcome of a 0.5 lb rat.
The equivalent of that would be about 4,000,000 IUs (4 million IUs) given to a human. According to research, that amount could endanger your health, but not kill you."
Additionally, it's important to take Vitamin K2 along with Vitamin D3.
"D3 increases the absorption of calcium, needed for strong bones, and K2 “tells that calcium” where to go – into your bones and NOT your arteries or kidneys."
The above info can be found in many places online. This is one link to it:
https://rootcausemedicalclinics.com/is-your-vitamin-d3-supplement-toxic/
That being said, a healthy daily intake of D3+K2 is a huge part of why my immune system is functioning well.
I was taking a Vitamin D / K2 supplement by Thorne.
Plus for every D we have to metabolize, we use one molecule vitamin A. So if we're already A deficient, this can tip the scale into acute illness quickly.
I am learning a lot about mineral regulation / disregulation & metabolic function. We are subtle creatures and that is why I am very wary now of putting synthetic D and other synthetic vitamins into my body. I obviously made myself sick with my tinkering.
Hey well we all live and learn, right? Happy you're still here and we're raising awareness that way, which is beautiful. The sun can do so much for us by ways of subcellular melatonin (a 2nd type of melatonin).
The symptoms you report sound very very similar to those reported with Covid. Additionally, while I won't speak to the other supplements you mention, nattokinase is being recommended specifically to treat the effects from the spike protein, not of Vitamin D3.
Nicotine is pretty good for many things including COVID says Dr Brian Ardis.
https://mothman777.substack.com/p/the-only-doctor-brave-enough-to-tell
Yes - I am aware of all that. There are quite a few of us who have bad reactions to synthetic Vitamin D - it may be fine for most people. But for some of us, it is toxic and I would rather get mine the natural way, from the sun. I am aware that Nattokinase is being recommended for the spike protein, that doesn't mean it is not beneficial for the reasons I'm taking it.
Natural Vit D3 from sunshine is by far the best, you can see how much healthier the skin and tone of flesh get when the body is exposed to the sun each summer.
But you need to tell us how much Vit D3 and K2 and in what form Thorne sells the K2.
I understand that K2 should be taken separately from D supplementation. They do not play well together.
Could you supply me with your full scientific source information please, as I have never ever seen this stated by anyone before. It is not possible to overdose on Vit K2.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/vitamin-k-fat-soluble-vitamin-deficiency-toxicity-symptoms.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17145139/
I myself cannot see any report online validating your assertion that D3 and K2 do not play well together. In fact, rather the opposite is the truth, as without sufficient K2, calcium goes in all the wrong places, and indeed large doses of Vit D3 may cause deficiency in vital K2.
Here is a discussion of the timing of these 2 supplements.
It contains multiple links to other sites which speak to this question:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Supplements/comments/eqwiml/d3_and_k2_taken_together_or_separately/
Did you get any of the Covid19 injections?
Just wondering because I have never heard of such a reaction to vitamin D. I and all of my family were taking 5000 IU per day since 2020 with no issues.
Same with a lot of my extended family and friends.
No, I am not vaccinated.
Did you ever have your serum hydroxy-vitamin D levels tested? If not, you should have been, especially taking 10,000 units a day. Perhaps you were one who did not need that much and you hurt yourself. Too much of a good thing is still too much…
It's still hard to know, b/c if A is low, then even a high D level isn't necessarily a good thing.
Absolutely is a possibility Amanita. The best way to absorb D is through the sulfation pathway via Sunlight + LDL cholesterol: https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/why-vitamin-d-supplements-dont-work
Thanks for the link to your substack. I like your thinking.
Thank you Amanita! I appreciate that - doing is another story (:
Vitamin D3 is very much different in its compound effects than real sunlight. When taking high doses Vit D3, yes, you will get hypercalcaemia - lots of calcium in the blood, with major impacts on various systems of the body and the mind, like major psychiatric problems, not being funny there with you, but too much calcium in the blood can really freak people out, to the degree of clinical psychosis being evidenced so the med literature says. High blood calcium can injure various organs and can be fatal, as happens to people with parathyroid tumours.
You are supposed to take sufficient Vit K2 with high doses Vit D3, or you will get seriously messed up. I see you have been taking some K2, but how much?
You want around 250 mcg Vit K2 with say, 5,000 iu a day Vit D3, or else you get calcium depositing in the brain and arteries etc. and causing major problems to various organs in the body. Don't blame D3, blame not taking Vit K2 with it, as K2 makes calcium attracted by additional D3 go into the right places, and stops it going into the wrong places.
Yes, Vit D3 is rat poison for rats, but not for humans, it might make you as a human quite sleepy and relaxed in high does though.
200 mcg K2 / 25 mcg D3
I see you have moderated your use of Vit D3 down from 4,000 - 10,000 units a day of Vitamin D3 throughout the pandemic down to 25 mcg. The Vit K2 level is fine, but the 25 mcg which is the equivalent if 1,000 iu is just the equivalent of a handful of minutes daylight exposure. More sunshine? Besides, the sunlight will give you a whole host of benefits to your health all round that mere Vit D3 cannot provide.
I don't take any synthetic D anymore - that is what I was taking. I only get my D from sunshine now. I feel much healthier.
There is a lot of relevant info. on Grassroots health net about Vit. D supplementation. Thanks.
Did you take vitamin D3 or a generic vitamin D? Did you follow the advice of a naturopath or doctor with the level you were taking? There are differences in vitamin Dproducts available and a knowledgeable person may have changed the amount you were on. You may have needed the high dosage initially, but then sounds like you needed to drop that down.
That's why you need to check blood levels to make sure your dose is not too high.