Awesome post. Just a data point. On some days but not all (about half), I had "brain fog", which had detrimental effect on my ability to author substack articles.
A couple of months ago I started taking NAC and nattokinase. Not sure if it is a coincidence, but brain fog mostly went away. Then for a week or so I stopped for random reasons and brain fog returned. Now I am back taking it and things are better. Three of my recent articles ended up on infowars too, which I know is not entirely unrelated to cognitive functioning.
This brain fog is intermittent and therefore it is difficult to definitely point to the cause or effect. But on the days when I have it, I prefer not to publish because it could be a crappy article without me even realizing.
Are you near EMF towers or any other device -- and can you measure? Have you tried earthing.... nice to do before it gets cold and your feet freeze off ;).... I know you read AMD and his thoughts on zeta potential and CDR so just wondering what you may have tried on his lists...
I moved and first got a 5g tower for internet before I could get my star link- it gave me dreadful headaches...Now with star link so much better (I have old school cat5 cables going to most rooms).
Igor, although your brain fog may not be as bad as mine I have an idea for you to investigate. My short story is below and in other comments about why I cannot take the nattokinase and looking for another spike degrader.
Briefly after my 2nd vax I declined further physically and mentally. I didn’t know it at the time but I think my brain was inflamed! I couldn’t see well on and off. 3 months after vax was a mental blur. Super forgetful and that’s when my speech became affected slightly.
I found the protocols and changed my lifestyle. I feel I have improved physically but stuck with chronic confusion, memory issues , and blurred vision that lasts for days to weeks. Remissions were short.
Late this winter it started again and wouldn’t resolve. It was getting worse! It felt like my brain cells were tired, sleepy, and not making/getting energy to function.
My muscle symptoms started 2weeks after my first vax. Of course my doctor just thinks it’s sudden onset fibromyalgia and doesn’t have a clue about what spike does.
Out of desperation I read information on fibromyalgia brain fog and found that the psilocybin can help with neuro inflammation.
I went with the micro dosing idea ( initial small amount and within a week take a slight increase).
Well … OMG!!!!!!! The next day I could see clearly!!!! I could think!!!! I cannot believe the difference!!!! My brain is energized again!!!! I still have slight memory issues but what a difference.
Weeks later I could tell it was wearing off and last week did another micro dose.
Until I can find a spike degrader to clear my brain I’m sticking with psilocybin. Hopefully I can safely take it long term.
Anyways … just an idea for you to ponder and perhaps let others know if they are struggling as bad as I am.
Ps. I can’t get ivermectin either… so I’m desperate and took the leap.
But it’s better than nothing. There is no sense of my mind altered or high or anything other than the the feeling of thirst when taking the doses. It helps with neuro inflammation and it worked for me.
I read what it does in the brain and realized it was worth a try with the micro doses.
I tried it recreationally twice in larger amounts when I was a young pup and knew tiny amounts are harmless and non mind bending.
In the meantime I will try what a new substack article says and will increase my melatonin and vitamin C into my regimen.
Hopefully one day all the Covid protocols I’m doing clears my mind. Until then I’ll micro dose every couple of months if need be until then. I’d rather do this than have brain inflammation. It’s perhaps the lesser of two evils.
I was scared after reading articles on brain inflammation and leading to Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, etc., and needed a remedy fast. I’m 60 but was stuck with a “dementia like brain” leaving pots to boil dry and couldn’t remember if I took my pills. Couldn’t drive. Couldn’t pay bills. Speech affected. I was bad and declining. My scenario was extreme.
Anyways…. Yadda yadda yadda…. Just offering another “ natural” remedy that worked for extreme issues and could help others.
Nonsense, Igor. Visual clarity can be measured objectively by reading tests, can it not? Mental acuity is harder to measure directly but the differences can definitely be measured.
Have you any first hand experience with psilocybin? It's very easy to misunderstand this medicine without direct experience of it.
I’m seeing a concerning pattern of unvaxxed people developing this very slowly but surely at different rates. My parents, me, friends who are unvaxxed seem to be showing this more prominently.
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Mr. Chestnut, as a layperson in Medical/Chemical Research, I don't wish to sound foolish by telling you of reports concerning people in Okinawa having an extraordinary number of people over the age of 100. The documentary reported extreme levels of Serine derived from Natto food products as well as Sea Weed to be the one common factor uniting the whole population exhibiting tremendous vitality, flexibility, reasoning skills, wit, etc. They displayed a joy in life rare to witness at such advanced ages.
Your research as posted here appears consistent with the focus of the Documentary.
Sure enjoy your work...Anticipate it every day. Such a complement to Dr. Ana Mihalcea's research and Postings. Simply phenomenal soldiers on the Frontline.
See Guy Abraham et al: Optimum Levels of Iodine for greatest Mental and Physical Health, from The Original Internist, September, 2002. I could not find a doi but it was accessible with a google search.
Too much hype accompanied by marketing ( including sadly some well known names who obvisouly have a financial stake in selling product). Not to say Natto is not a good thing: i love it and eat it regularly. But will it degrade spike in vivo? as you say, who knows?
what erica at rense raised is the possibility that what happens to spike when is degraded or in simplier terms broken up in smaller pieces .... do these pieces go away? or are still doing same work in larger numbers? food for thought ...
I agree it's surprising, but apparently it does. My pharmacologist friend tells me that enzymes are often recycled from the lower parts of the digestive tract and reintroduced into the upper parts so it's apparently not without precedent.
FWIW, it's recommended to take Nattokinase on an empty stomach with a large glass of water. Stomach pH should be fairly mild at rest and the glass of water should get it moving down the bowel before the proteases can destroy too much of it.
Active transport of amino acids by specific membrane transporters is required to move them across the enterocytes of the intestine and into the blood.
"There is virtually no absorption of peptides longer than four amino acids. However, there is abundant absorption of di- and tripeptides in the small intestine."
There *are* clinical studies that claim efficacy in improving cardiovascular health. Are they trustworthy? Who funded them? If there is a real benefit, perhaps its nutritional. If that is the case, then it might be high doses of amino acids that are effective, and the specific enzymatic character of nattokinase is just a distraction.
Well ... nattokinase supplements are tiny so it'd be hard to imagine they contain enough of any particular amino acid to make a difference.
I agree we shouldn't automatically trust studies. My best idea for now is to keep reading anecdotes on substack and to worry about the mechanism later when the effect is established.
I am a layperson. I believe seaweed has high levels of iodine? I've read that chlorine in the water supply destroys iodine. Perhaps the iodine is contributory to their longevity?
I bought some fermented soybeans (real natto to eat) the other day. My friend from Japan loves it and eats it almost daily. I really want to like it. To me, it is slimy, bitter, and smells like wet, stinky socks. I am trying to choke it down daily to get my money’s worth for the jars, but it’s not easy. Of course, I never took the damnable “product” so am not doing it for hopes of spike degradation, but rather for health reasons. I think I’ll stick to other healthy things…. Ugh.
Mel, according to some, we've all got the Spike now, unvaxxed from the vaxxed shedding and others from getting COVID. I'm unvaxxed, haven't had COV, but I'm about to try to detox just in case. It wouldn't hurt.
When I first started eating Natto, I had to close my eyes because it repulsed me so much. I have grown to love it. I usually eat it with a small bowl of sushi rice, soy sauce, scallions, a fried egg and Korean chile paste. It is delicious eaten like this!
Thanks for those tips, Amanita! That actually sounds really good. I tried it with plain rice and kimchi this morning, but no, it didn’t quite do the trick. I think it needs more like you did with the soy sauce, scallions, egg, and chili paste. I’ll try it that way. Thank you.
I haven't had the "product" either but there's enough info out there (one source is Ana Mihalcea's vaxxed vs un-vaxxed blood analysis) to indicate that both groups have compromised blood.
I like trying new foods I’ve never before tried. But this one… uh… it’s a no so far. I’ll doctor it up good with all the recommendations given here so I won’t waste what I bought.
Natto taste/texture varies substantially by brand; try several of them. If the mustard and/or sweet sauce packets are not to your liking, mix the beans with rice or other foods; it isn't hard to mask the taste.
Folks, it seems kind of an "acquired" taste, similar to artichokes, liver etc. if it was not in the food cycle as a youth... man, it's difficult to get down! 🤣
BUT, like grandma insisted as she was from "the old country"...
"If you can swallow whisky, you can swallow this... food is medicine...." 👍
I make it regularly. There is a facebook group "All About Natto" where people share their techniques. Also lots of good information on youtube. I learned to make Natto a few years ago and have learned to love it. I recommend getting an instant pot if you don't alread have one. You can soak, pressure steam and then ferment the beans all in the same pot this way. You can get the Natto starter spores from Cultures for Health. The package comes with good instructions on how to make it. I can positively say that consuming Natto regularly has improved my health. I am not vaxx'd but it has helped me heal from hypocalcemia that was caused by taking Vitamin D supplements. I highly recommend Natto.
Thank You Amanita P, I will look into the instant pot and check out Cultures for Health. I found this source for natto specific soy beans https://laurasoybeans.com/natto-soybeans/
The K2 - MK7 in natto to help high Vitamin D caused high blood calcium get into bones and not calcify up soft tissue and make "stones" and plaque up blood vessels is what first got me thinking about natto. I saved this note to myself - "Natto which you can make yourself has very high K2 levels (100 mcg per 10 grams? of natto )" but I did not seem to save the source of this information.
Yes - that is where I get my natto soybeans. I also use organic black soy beans from Eden Foods - but the texture comes out dryer with those. I prefer Laura's.
I wonder how fast nattokinase can work to convert prourokinase to urokinase and to raise TPA. If rapid enough , I'd want some on hand if I had a stroke , particularly if in a situation where I couldn't get therapeutic TPA within the required time window.
Of course , if I guessed wrong and I had a bleeding stroke , I might be out of luck. Dang , what to do....?
McGill is staffed and educates clowns. Their students and professors protested for harder lockdowns back in 2021. If McGill is against something or some, that item is probably actually good for mankind.
It would seem the nattokinase would help your narrowed artery area NOT to clot there. I don’t understand the concern. Can you tell us your reasoning? It breaks down clots. That seems it might be good for your narrowed arterial area.
I think the fear is that nattokinase WOULD help break up any existing clots , which could then up causing problems upstream. In the leg the clots are an issue , but in the lungs or heart they're a much bigger problem.
To clarify I should have said it says “don’t take natto if you have a history of DVT.” Regardless I had the same issue when I added K2 to my vitamin D but 2 1/2 days later. The site would throb like a bugger for a couple of hours. I was in denial and took aspirin, quercetin, and increased my fluid intake. I live in the country so I kept assuming it’s nothing and if I went to the hospital it would stop.
It’s almost a year since the cath and I still can’t sit 45 degrees or bend to do a garden for more than 10-15 minutes. I still have to recline my seat as a passenger in a vehicle. I haven’t driven since.
Recently had a Doppler and going to see cardiac doctor in November.
So yeah. Whatever the issue is I’m too scared to try it again. There must be others like me out there. Hoping that someone can find another spike degrader like natto.
Did they use a closure device on your artery? That could potentially cause your issue. Instead of seeing cardio MD again maybe a vascular surgeon? Could do a simple ultrasound to see? Just an idea. Oh I see you had a Doppler done.
Thanks. I read about Essiac tea last year. Will check it out again.
When they did cath the nurses did not position my leg properly and the doctor initially cut way to deep missing it at first. Lol. Omg. He didn’t check for artery before cutting! Lol.
There was no closure device used but I popped the site twice after the fact. Once in hospital and once at home that night. Direct hard pressure resolved it.
The only thing I can think of is scar tissue from the doctor missing the artery ? Is scar tissue closing off the artery? Idk. I’m grasping. It makes no sense why it’s so bad.
The site artery would initially “burn” for a couple of weeks on and off from my hip area to just before my knee after the cath. It would bring me to tears.
I fluked off the combo of Chaga and frankincense to stop the burning pain. It’s the combo of both that work because if I have a weak batch of either the pain wants to creep back. They supposedly work on a different pathway ( I L 6?) and was the only thing that worked out of all the natural anti inflammatories I tried.
My blood vessels are a mess after my vax. I think I have arteritis.
Thanks charlotte. The problem is I live in rural Canada and Trudeau won’t let the darn stuff across the border still and they are stopping it in the mail. Grrrrrr.
2nd smartest guy asked the company for me and odds are they might not even ship here as there has been problems in the past. Basically it’s hit and miss. If it was cheap I would take a chance several times. But it’s expensive so I did not do an order.
After living with someone terribly ill with a "respiratory virus" in Winter 2019, I developed black spots in my eyesight and tons of floaters. I looked into Natto, serratiopeptidase, and lumbrokinase and went with lumbo (couldn't afford more than one). A few days later black spots gone, but the floaters are still there (I mean pitch black, can't see through). Quit taking the lumbro and the black spots started to came back. On lumbo again - no black spots.
The terribly ill person developed "COVID toe" and horrible brain fog (a factor in losing two jobs from fog). The lumbrokinase worked in 2 doses. The toes are pink (not purple/black) and the fog is gone. Back to the brilliant person I knew.
Worked in vivo for us.
The retina doctor said that he had never heard of lumbrokinase. I pointed out the improvement and he immediately said thet the improvement was not from "the supplement you mentioned - definitely not." Well, that's settled. lol
Awesome post. Just a data point. On some days but not all (about half), I had "brain fog", which had detrimental effect on my ability to author substack articles.
A couple of months ago I started taking NAC and nattokinase. Not sure if it is a coincidence, but brain fog mostly went away. Then for a week or so I stopped for random reasons and brain fog returned. Now I am back taking it and things are better. Three of my recent articles ended up on infowars too, which I know is not entirely unrelated to cognitive functioning.
This brain fog is intermittent and therefore it is difficult to definitely point to the cause or effect. But on the days when I have it, I prefer not to publish because it could be a crappy article without me even realizing.
Thanks for bringing up this topic.
Are you near EMF towers or any other device -- and can you measure? Have you tried earthing.... nice to do before it gets cold and your feet freeze off ;).... I know you read AMD and his thoughts on zeta potential and CDR so just wondering what you may have tried on his lists...
I have not done much in that regard
I moved and first got a 5g tower for internet before I could get my star link- it gave me dreadful headaches...Now with star link so much better (I have old school cat5 cables going to most rooms).
What is the best equipment for measuring cellular rad, please, if you know?
Wow! Your symptoms are similar to my own. Bromeline and Nattokinase, perfect. What about methylene blue?
never tried methylene blue
Dr. McCullough also includes this in his detox protocol since so many report benefits.
Absolutely! My experience as well.
Igor, although your brain fog may not be as bad as mine I have an idea for you to investigate. My short story is below and in other comments about why I cannot take the nattokinase and looking for another spike degrader.
Briefly after my 2nd vax I declined further physically and mentally. I didn’t know it at the time but I think my brain was inflamed! I couldn’t see well on and off. 3 months after vax was a mental blur. Super forgetful and that’s when my speech became affected slightly.
I found the protocols and changed my lifestyle. I feel I have improved physically but stuck with chronic confusion, memory issues , and blurred vision that lasts for days to weeks. Remissions were short.
Late this winter it started again and wouldn’t resolve. It was getting worse! It felt like my brain cells were tired, sleepy, and not making/getting energy to function.
My muscle symptoms started 2weeks after my first vax. Of course my doctor just thinks it’s sudden onset fibromyalgia and doesn’t have a clue about what spike does.
Out of desperation I read information on fibromyalgia brain fog and found that the psilocybin can help with neuro inflammation.
I went with the micro dosing idea ( initial small amount and within a week take a slight increase).
Well … OMG!!!!!!! The next day I could see clearly!!!! I could think!!!! I cannot believe the difference!!!! My brain is energized again!!!! I still have slight memory issues but what a difference.
Weeks later I could tell it was wearing off and last week did another micro dose.
Until I can find a spike degrader to clear my brain I’m sticking with psilocybin. Hopefully I can safely take it long term.
Anyways … just an idea for you to ponder and perhaps let others know if they are struggling as bad as I am.
Ps. I can’t get ivermectin either… so I’m desperate and took the leap.
Be aware that the feeling of clarity under various brain acting chemicals may be a mirage - there is no clarity in reality - just a feeling of same.
Of course it’s a bandaid for now.
But it’s better than nothing. There is no sense of my mind altered or high or anything other than the the feeling of thirst when taking the doses. It helps with neuro inflammation and it worked for me.
I read what it does in the brain and realized it was worth a try with the micro doses.
I tried it recreationally twice in larger amounts when I was a young pup and knew tiny amounts are harmless and non mind bending.
In the meantime I will try what a new substack article says and will increase my melatonin and vitamin C into my regimen.
Hopefully one day all the Covid protocols I’m doing clears my mind. Until then I’ll micro dose every couple of months if need be until then. I’d rather do this than have brain inflammation. It’s perhaps the lesser of two evils.
I was scared after reading articles on brain inflammation and leading to Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, etc., and needed a remedy fast. I’m 60 but was stuck with a “dementia like brain” leaving pots to boil dry and couldn’t remember if I took my pills. Couldn’t drive. Couldn’t pay bills. Speech affected. I was bad and declining. My scenario was extreme.
Anyways…. Yadda yadda yadda…. Just offering another “ natural” remedy that worked for extreme issues and could help others.
What doses of psilocybin are giving you good results?
SCARY!!!
Interesting about micro dosing; that is a profound difference.
Have you tried obtaining mail order ivermectin?
Just an example of information and studies out there.
https://www.eleusiniaretreat.com/articles/psilocybin-for-brain-fog/
Nonsense, Igor. Visual clarity can be measured objectively by reading tests, can it not? Mental acuity is harder to measure directly but the differences can definitely be measured.
Have you any first hand experience with psilocybin? It's very easy to misunderstand this medicine without direct experience of it.
I’m seeing a concerning pattern of unvaxxed people developing this very slowly but surely at different rates. My parents, me, friends who are unvaxxed seem to be showing this more prominently.
Mr. Chestnut, as a layperson in Medical/Chemical Research, I don't wish to sound foolish by telling you of reports concerning people in Okinawa having an extraordinary number of people over the age of 100. The documentary reported extreme levels of Serine derived from Natto food products as well as Sea Weed to be the one common factor uniting the whole population exhibiting tremendous vitality, flexibility, reasoning skills, wit, etc. They displayed a joy in life rare to witness at such advanced ages.
Your research as posted here appears consistent with the focus of the Documentary.
Sure enjoy your work...Anticipate it every day. Such a complement to Dr. Ana Mihalcea's research and Postings. Simply phenomenal soldiers on the Frontline.
The seaweed may be a major contributor as well.
See Guy Abraham et al: Optimum Levels of Iodine for greatest Mental and Physical Health, from The Original Internist, September, 2002. I could not find a doi but it was accessible with a google search.
"I can report that Nattokinase (NK) does inhibit fibrinolytic and amidolytic activity."
I think you meant to say "enhances".
Yes, thank you. I corrected the post.
Too much hype accompanied by marketing ( including sadly some well known names who obvisouly have a financial stake in selling product). Not to say Natto is not a good thing: i love it and eat it regularly. But will it degrade spike in vivo? as you say, who knows?
You read about the benefits of Nattokinase, then someone tells you that Lumbrokinase is even better. Overview of Lumbrokinase, Nattokinase and Serrapeptase here: https://www.onedaymd.com/2022/12/lumbrokinase-vs-nattokinase-vs.html
Bear in mind, as well, that curcumin, berberine, gingko, and resveratrol all have some platelet inhibitory effect. (Well, and aspirin, of course.)
You might not want to take lumbrokinase (strongest of the three) if you are also on one or more of these.
Excellent caution. Maybe supplementing vitamin K while taking might not be a bad idea.
what erica at rense raised is the possibility that what happens to spike when is degraded or in simplier terms broken up in smaller pieces .... do these pieces go away? or are still doing same work in larger numbers? food for thought ...
Nattokinase is a 275 amino acid protease. I don't think there is any way for it survive digestion and make its way into the bloodstream.
I agree it's surprising, but apparently it does. My pharmacologist friend tells me that enzymes are often recycled from the lower parts of the digestive tract and reintroduced into the upper parts so it's apparently not without precedent.
FWIW, it's recommended to take Nattokinase on an empty stomach with a large glass of water. Stomach pH should be fairly mild at rest and the glass of water should get it moving down the bowel before the proteases can destroy too much of it.
Active transport of amino acids by specific membrane transporters is required to move them across the enterocytes of the intestine and into the blood.
"There is virtually no absorption of peptides longer than four amino acids. However, there is abundant absorption of di- and tripeptides in the small intestine."
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/smallgut/absorb_aacids.html
All info on that page is well established in the primary literature - I checked.
Well now I really have no idea. I guess we should first see if it works clinically and then come back to the mechanism afterwards.
There *are* clinical studies that claim efficacy in improving cardiovascular health. Are they trustworthy? Who funded them? If there is a real benefit, perhaps its nutritional. If that is the case, then it might be high doses of amino acids that are effective, and the specific enzymatic character of nattokinase is just a distraction.
Well ... nattokinase supplements are tiny so it'd be hard to imagine they contain enough of any particular amino acid to make a difference.
I agree we shouldn't automatically trust studies. My best idea for now is to keep reading anecdotes on substack and to worry about the mechanism later when the effect is established.
Lumbrokinase for the win.
I am a layperson. I believe seaweed has high levels of iodine? I've read that chlorine in the water supply destroys iodine. Perhaps the iodine is contributory to their longevity?
Iodine can't really be destroyed but I suppose it could be oxidised to hypoiodate or iodate. Probably there's no effect here.
I think it's just that seaweed can bioaccumulate iodine efficienctly. Human beings can do the same by buying iodised salt or iodine supplements :-)
I bought some fermented soybeans (real natto to eat) the other day. My friend from Japan loves it and eats it almost daily. I really want to like it. To me, it is slimy, bitter, and smells like wet, stinky socks. I am trying to choke it down daily to get my money’s worth for the jars, but it’s not easy. Of course, I never took the damnable “product” so am not doing it for hopes of spike degradation, but rather for health reasons. I think I’ll stick to other healthy things…. Ugh.
Mel, according to some, we've all got the Spike now, unvaxxed from the vaxxed shedding and others from getting COVID. I'm unvaxxed, haven't had COV, but I'm about to try to detox just in case. It wouldn't hurt.
When I first started eating Natto, I had to close my eyes because it repulsed me so much. I have grown to love it. I usually eat it with a small bowl of sushi rice, soy sauce, scallions, a fried egg and Korean chile paste. It is delicious eaten like this!
Amanita; Thanks for the recipe info. It's making me hungry...
Thanks for those tips, Amanita! That actually sounds really good. I tried it with plain rice and kimchi this morning, but no, it didn’t quite do the trick. I think it needs more like you did with the soy sauce, scallions, egg, and chili paste. I’ll try it that way. Thank you.
Very descriptive!
I haven't had the "product" either but there's enough info out there (one source is Ana Mihalcea's vaxxed vs un-vaxxed blood analysis) to indicate that both groups have compromised blood.
The powdered nattokinase is much more tolerable. I tried natto as well, and...no. Just no.
I like trying new foods I’ve never before tried. But this one… uh… it’s a no so far. I’ll doctor it up good with all the recommendations given here so I won’t waste what I bought.
Natto taste/texture varies substantially by brand; try several of them. If the mustard and/or sweet sauce packets are not to your liking, mix the beans with rice or other foods; it isn't hard to mask the taste.
Have you tried Hot Sauce, Soy Sauce or anything else to modify the flavor?
Thank you so much, Donald! I like the idea of mild. And organic.
Folks, it seems kind of an "acquired" taste, similar to artichokes, liver etc. if it was not in the food cycle as a youth... man, it's difficult to get down! 🤣
BUT, like grandma insisted as she was from "the old country"...
"If you can swallow whisky, you can swallow this... food is medicine...." 👍
P.S. already "unavailable" on the Bezo's site.
Yeah, Go Figure...
time to figure out the practical step by step to make natto at home and how and in what amount to consume it.
I make it regularly. There is a facebook group "All About Natto" where people share their techniques. Also lots of good information on youtube. I learned to make Natto a few years ago and have learned to love it. I recommend getting an instant pot if you don't alread have one. You can soak, pressure steam and then ferment the beans all in the same pot this way. You can get the Natto starter spores from Cultures for Health. The package comes with good instructions on how to make it. I can positively say that consuming Natto regularly has improved my health. I am not vaxx'd but it has helped me heal from hypocalcemia that was caused by taking Vitamin D supplements. I highly recommend Natto.
Hypercalcemia, not hypo.
Excellent!
Thank You Amanita P, I will look into the instant pot and check out Cultures for Health. I found this source for natto specific soy beans https://laurasoybeans.com/natto-soybeans/
The K2 - MK7 in natto to help high Vitamin D caused high blood calcium get into bones and not calcify up soft tissue and make "stones" and plaque up blood vessels is what first got me thinking about natto. I saved this note to myself - "Natto which you can make yourself has very high K2 levels (100 mcg per 10 grams? of natto )" but I did not seem to save the source of this information.
Yes - that is where I get my natto soybeans. I also use organic black soy beans from Eden Foods - but the texture comes out dryer with those. I prefer Laura's.
I wonder how fast nattokinase can work to convert prourokinase to urokinase and to raise TPA. If rapid enough , I'd want some on hand if I had a stroke , particularly if in a situation where I couldn't get therapeutic TPA within the required time window.
Of course , if I guessed wrong and I had a bleeding stroke , I might be out of luck. Dang , what to do....?
If you just eat it regularly, you probably don't need to worry about having a stroke.
Yes , you're probably right. It seems to be working out OK for the Japanese.
Dr mercola says we all should have lumbro on hand in case stroke, heart attack .. beats the Tpa ? Clot busters they give in Er
It's 30x stronger than natto and has unique ability to thin or build up as needed
McGill is staffed and educates clowns. Their students and professors protested for harder lockdowns back in 2021. If McGill is against something or some, that item is probably actually good for mankind.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-professors-students-protest-school-measures-1.6161076
Has everyone ever done a comparative study between nattokinase and serrapeptase?
https://www.onedaymd.com/2022/12/lumbrokinase-vs-nattokinase-vs.html
It looks like those studies are on rats. Wonder if there are human studies.
Anyone looking for a more 'mild' way to consume Natto:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077T6HDZF/
I mix this in with beans and hardly notice the difference - very palatable
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18971533/
Nattokinase shows evidence of lowering of blood pressure. So I take that and beetroot supplements which are also reported to lower blood pressure.
And quercetin lowers blood sugar. My friend quit a pharmaceutical as the quercetin works well as shown by his daily tests.
Have you read anything on thrombolytic Alteplase (tPA "clot buster") ?
I cannot take the nattokinase as I have a narrow artery and it wants to clot there. Is there anything else that may degrade spike?
I’m taking the bromolain and curcumin … but I’m stuck how to replace the natto.
It would seem the nattokinase would help your narrowed artery area NOT to clot there. I don’t understand the concern. Can you tell us your reasoning? It breaks down clots. That seems it might be good for your narrowed arterial area.
I don't understand. Nattokinase would should help with the clotting issue, if the above article is correct.
I know. It makes no sense. But it says when I research that people with DVT shouldn’t take it.
I didn’t listen and ignored that but lo and behold I was throbbing for hours at the narrow artery site after trying natto once.
Lol. My arteries are so clogged it broke up so much crap that it collected at the narrow part? Lol. Who knows … but I’m not trying it again.
The cardiac doctor buggered my femoral artery after a cardiac cath.
I think the fear is that nattokinase WOULD help break up any existing clots , which could then up causing problems upstream. In the leg the clots are an issue , but in the lungs or heart they're a much bigger problem.
Yes
To clarify I should have said it says “don’t take natto if you have a history of DVT.” Regardless I had the same issue when I added K2 to my vitamin D but 2 1/2 days later. The site would throb like a bugger for a couple of hours. I was in denial and took aspirin, quercetin, and increased my fluid intake. I live in the country so I kept assuming it’s nothing and if I went to the hospital it would stop.
It’s almost a year since the cath and I still can’t sit 45 degrees or bend to do a garden for more than 10-15 minutes. I still have to recline my seat as a passenger in a vehicle. I haven’t driven since.
Recently had a Doppler and going to see cardiac doctor in November.
So yeah. Whatever the issue is I’m too scared to try it again. There must be others like me out there. Hoping that someone can find another spike degrader like natto.
Did they use a closure device on your artery? That could potentially cause your issue. Instead of seeing cardio MD again maybe a vascular surgeon? Could do a simple ultrasound to see? Just an idea. Oh I see you had a Doppler done.
Thanks. I read about Essiac tea last year. Will check it out again.
When they did cath the nurses did not position my leg properly and the doctor initially cut way to deep missing it at first. Lol. Omg. He didn’t check for artery before cutting! Lol.
There was no closure device used but I popped the site twice after the fact. Once in hospital and once at home that night. Direct hard pressure resolved it.
The only thing I can think of is scar tissue from the doctor missing the artery ? Is scar tissue closing off the artery? Idk. I’m grasping. It makes no sense why it’s so bad.
Thanks for your input. Very much appreciated.
The site artery would initially “burn” for a couple of weeks on and off from my hip area to just before my knee after the cath. It would bring me to tears.
I fluked off the combo of Chaga and frankincense to stop the burning pain. It’s the combo of both that work because if I have a weak batch of either the pain wants to creep back. They supposedly work on a different pathway ( I L 6?) and was the only thing that worked out of all the natural anti inflammatories I tried.
My blood vessels are a mess after my vax. I think I have arteritis.
Check out her SS… sorry I don’t have the specific article but she mentions esiac (sp) a lot for detox. I’m sure she’d answer a post from you.
https://truth613.substack.com/
Here's a link for Essiac tea from a Facebook group. I just bought some but haven't started yet.
https://just-t.com/products/1-bag-of-essiac-herbs-1-9oz-53g?fbclid=IwAR1GFe7q7MUM4Ec0MTug5C37Medrd1BB4REKR8CH3uDyrv-Wrx3Qbs_jGCc
Maybe you could dose up really slowly? Start at 3% and go up by 3% a day until you reach normal dose in about a month's time.
If the issue is clots coming loose from other parts of the body, this may solve the issue.
Would using a vasodilator like flushing niacin help?
Thanks for your idea. I can’t take the niacin.
But I was thinking similar by taking resveretrol and quercetin twice a day? I’m just not sure how long that is safe?
I have so many health issues after the dang vax. My small town doctors are useless, don’t care, or in denial.
After this comment I’ll put what happened to me. Maybe there is a doctor out there who has an idea to help.
I think I need ivermectin to help clear what is lingering but I can’t get it.
I've been taking Quercetin since the pandemic started (and Ivermectin). No issues.
I bought ivermectin here: it isn’t cheap but it is high grade and by tablet
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/ivermectin-is-a-proven-cure-for-covid?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=400535&post_id=136636101&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email
Thanks charlotte. The problem is I live in rural Canada and Trudeau won’t let the darn stuff across the border still and they are stopping it in the mail. Grrrrrr.
2nd smartest guy asked the company for me and odds are they might not even ship here as there has been problems in the past. Basically it’s hit and miss. If it was cheap I would take a chance several times. But it’s expensive so I did not do an order.
Trudeau is acting like a tyrant here. : (
After living with someone terribly ill with a "respiratory virus" in Winter 2019, I developed black spots in my eyesight and tons of floaters. I looked into Natto, serratiopeptidase, and lumbrokinase and went with lumbo (couldn't afford more than one). A few days later black spots gone, but the floaters are still there (I mean pitch black, can't see through). Quit taking the lumbro and the black spots started to came back. On lumbo again - no black spots.
The terribly ill person developed "COVID toe" and horrible brain fog (a factor in losing two jobs from fog). The lumbrokinase worked in 2 doses. The toes are pink (not purple/black) and the fog is gone. Back to the brilliant person I knew.
Worked in vivo for us.
The retina doctor said that he had never heard of lumbrokinase. I pointed out the improvement and he immediately said thet the improvement was not from "the supplement you mentioned - definitely not." Well, that's settled. lol