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We heard about Cetylpyridinium Chloride in mouthwash in 2020. I have been using it since then. I particularly rinse after returning home when I have had to mingle with people at stores. We use Colgate Total. I had not heard of using povidone-iodine before and wasn't aware it could be taken internally like Nascent Iodine ( my wife was using it = 6 drops in water to treat something else but she was extremely hard of hearing and her hearing came back and has stayed good). Would love to know how to use the povidone-iodine and what dosing.

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"Would love to know how to use the povidone-iodine and what dosing."

Please take a look at what I just posted in these comments. My post starts with "Yes, PREVENTION. It has worked for me." It includes details on how to make antiviral sprays and how to use them.

I would add to that post the 2 times per day nasal flush study that reduced hospitalization of covid sick older high risk people by 8 times added either 1/2 tsp of povidone-iodine solution 10% OR 1/2 tsp of baking soda to 1 cup/8 fluid ounces of "normal" saline. Both the povidone-iodine and the alkalizing baking soda mix worked equally well

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Thanks!

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Povidone-iodine should not be taken internally, but can be used as a nasal wash (with a neti pot or other sinus washing device).

Are you saying that nascent iodine (different thing) restored your wife's hearing? Very interesting - congratulations to her.

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Thanks for the info on the Povidone-iodine.

Yes it really was the only thing different she had been doing. She started lookng for info on the internet and came across a number of stories about it working for some, not all people. I got Tinnitus following Covid in 2020 ( March 30 was my 4 year anniversary of coming down with it) the Nascent Iodine lessons the ringing quite a lot, but it has never disappeared. So I take the 6 drops in water daily for about a week, the lay off. I don't want to do anything too much, I am kind of a medicine minimalist. Plus, I have lost a lot of trust in the medical system and pHarma over the last 4 years. Go figure.

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This stuff can really stain your teeth and I suspect it is far more toxic than they indicate (which is still significant). Why not stick with hydrogen peroxide?

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Or colloidal silver? I used this as a mouth spray and nasal spray before and after going out among groups. No issues.

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I bet oregano oil will do the same. I make a tea from my oregano spice - which is different than that used for the intense mediterranean oil - but it cures any throat issues very quickly.

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I have known about povidone iodine to use as a rinse as well as a nasal rinse from Paul Alexander’s substack. It’s a good prophylaxis; it will provide a negative pcr every time , negative for flu, too although if you are sick and need to be diagnosed, you might not want to use it before your appointment. Good to know about otc brands like listerine and colgate peroxyl. Thanks for your tireless work, Walter!

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Mouthwash causes hypertension, cancers and disrupts the gut biome

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Yes, PREVENTION. It has worked for me. Mostly, as an older person at higher risk from covid, I avoid unnecessary exposure to "shared air" and as this is unavoidable at times ...

an ounce of prevention - hoping for high blood vitamin D3 levels in the 50 ng/mL to 90 ng/mL range with a combination of regular, periodic and bolus doses averaging out to 7500 IU D3 and 150 mcg K2-MK7 per day for 165 pounds of me. Plus some magnesium citrate and zinc and other supplements.

Just before indoor "shared air" exposure I 1st spray home mixed antiviral 12% xylitol in PLAIN sterile filtered water into nose and mouth to saturation and need to blow my nose. ( a scant tsp xylitol in a 30 mL nasal pump type spray bottle such as "Snoot" brand) I use birch xylitol. Cleans nose - improves biome - reduces viral binding - antiviral activity. Plain water, not saline, seems best here per published research and confirmed in a Steve Kirsch interview with head of Xlear, a company that produces and sells products with xylitol.

Then a few sprays of home mixed antiviral 0.5% povidone-iodine in sterile saline breathed deep as sprayed into each nostril and mouth and from a bit of a distance (aiming between the eyes at bridge of nose) a couple of sprays on to open eyes and eye area. (1 part povidone-iodine solution 10% to 19 parts saline solution note: some prefer a 1% mix 1 part povidone-iodine to 9 parts saline) Kills the damn virus. I choose more sprays, 4 into each nostril and into mouth of 0.5% (perhaps I will go to 0.6% as 1 study found more effective than 0.5%) for perhaps better wetting and coverage vs fewer sprays, 2, of 1%. I ignore trials started 5 days after testing positive, perhaps 10 days after infection that show no benefit. Probably offers good protection up to 3 hours. 1 study showed viral killing was gone at 4 hours. I found one hospital system mixing it, 0.5%, fresh every day out of concern that in solutions less than 1% the iodine, over time, may be released from the povidone bond. I understand this would make the iodine stronger and more irritating as free iodine dissolved out of the povidone. note: in Japan a .23% formulation is marketed. They were using it in the hospital 5 times over the course of the work day from just before starting work to just after finishing work. I give it a good shake before use, I mix a little at a time and use it up, if I had older solution and found it irritating I would mix up a new bottle. I have found the 0.5% very easy to use.

I started out from Dr George Domb, ENT https://krcrtv.com/news/local/redding-doctor-says-he-may-have-a-solution-to-prevent-transmission-of-covid-19 if it does not stay visible refresh and rapidly click on the page as it momentarily appears. He used 1/2 tsp povidone-iodine solution 10% in a 44mL squeeze bottle of saline nasal spray. His cautions for its use (for prevention) "Do not use it if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, have hyperthyroidism, are being treated for thyroid cancer with irradiated iodine, or hypersensitive to iodine. It should not be used on children younger than 6." I, personally, would certainly use it for all at the first sign of possible covid infection.

I wipe the spray nozzle and inside of the nozzle cap with a piece of tissue damped with a bit of bleach and clean out the spray bottle and sprayer using 70% isopropyl alcohol , spraying with the cap on loosely to rinse it out and shake out the bottle and spray out the sprayer then air dry before refilling.

After the xylitol and PVI sprays I put on a 3M N95 and add the side shields to my normal looking safety eye glasses - any eyeglasses help. Comfortable breathable 3M "Aura" 9205+ N95 with weak straps that break or the Aura 9210+ with probably stronger straps, both which fits the most people and keeps out 99.68% ( total leakage through and around the mask) of salt test particles with a median size the size of a single sars-cov-2 virus and within the salt test particle mix particles 30 times smaller and twice as large . see Aaron Collins on youtube. Also see there how easy it actually is to adjust N95 masks for fit. I also use the 8210+ because it is so easy to put on and take off fast and wear for a few minute "encounter" for protection from the curb side pickup "close talker" or cough or sneeze in the face. Aaron Collins has said the 3M™ VFlex™ Particulate Respirators 9100 Series was his "new favorite" because it is exceptionally breathable. It is also the lowest cost and available in 2 sizes.

After indoor "shared air" exposure, when back home I use 1% Johnson's regular "no more tears" baby shampoo in sterile saline for nasal flush using a NeilMed 8 ounce nasal flush bottle, for eye wash from palm of clean hand or eye wash cup - blinking a lot and for mouthwash/gargle. (1 tsp/5mL baby shampoo per ~16 ounces/500 mL saline) then, as you will, a few sprays of PVI. The baby shampoo in saline is a viral killer and good cleaner. I may also nebulize a few mL (8 ml?) of regular vodka - easy to do after a few partial "diluted" 1/2 breaths. I use the Philips respironics "InnoSpire Elegance", no prescription needed from some on line suppliers, low cost 100% duty cycle . I think this would be better, easier to breathe, if enough "saline mix" was added to the vodka to convert the 60% water fraction in the vodka to normal saline. note: A anti-covid ethanol nebulization study states that nebulization creates such tiny particles that the ethanol and water separate by rapid evaporation into very high percent ethanol and water. note: I think that if the right amount of baking soda / salt saline mix was added to dissolve in the water component of vodka, in addition to outright killing of the virus some additional inhibition of viral cell entry and inhibition of viral replication in the cell could be possible. note: Nebulation is a key to therapeutic delivery of covid-19 prevention and treatment including, per Dr Zelenko and David Scheim PhD, hydroxychloroquine where as few as 1 or 2 pills worth of HCQ nebulized almost immediately builds the therapeutic effect, and more, of a full course of pills without potential systemic side effects or contraindications.

For saline I use 1 part baking soda 3 parts salt which is close to the NeilMed formula for saline mix.

(by measuring a couple of NeilMed saline mix packs) to make 2 cups/16 ounces/500mL 1/4 tsp baking soda 3/4 tsp salt. I boil the water from a 500 mL bottle of filtered water for a few minutes, let it cool down then add the baking soda and salt. I let it cool till just warm because heat chemically changes baking soda.

IMO Very much worth the effort for the high risk. Actually simple after a routine has been established. Most all may actually be at risk over the long term from some "spike" pathology even from "mild" covid and also from the spike "vaccine" antigen.

ps. the 2 times per day nasal flush study that reduced hospitalization of covid sick older high risk people by 8 times added either 1/2 tsp of povidone-iodine solution 10% OR 1/2 tsp of baking soda to 1 cup/8 fluid ounces of "normal" (NeilMed) saline. Both the povidone-iodine and the alkalizing baking soda mix worked ~ equally well

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Addition to my comment on PREVENTION

Keys are 1) Keep it out - Avoidance, N95 and eye protection 2) Kill it before and if it gets in - povidone-iodine, ethanol, and soap/detergent/baby shampoo, isopropyl alcohol 3) Stop entry into the cell - Add raise PH over 6.8 baking soda, and any number of other options to stop entry into the cell 4) Stop replication in the cell if it gets in - Add hypertonic saline, probably simply ~2 times "normal" concentration, and any number of other options to stop replication in the cell

note: A study shows Adding ~1% Johnson's regular baby shampoo (1 tsp/5ml per 500 mL) to 70% isopropyl alcohol improves its efficacy as a hand sanitizer. The 70% version evaporates slower SO it has more viral killing "dwell time" on hands. Probably the better (vs 91%) choice for budget hand sanitizer application. I have found no drawbacks to adding 1% Johnson's baby shampoo to 70% isopropyl alcohol for home mixed hand sanitizer.

Review of the use of nasal and oral antiseptics during a global pandemic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7842245/

When considering a combination of both baking soda and salt - for some applications some combination which both raises PH above 6.8 around the cell area it contacts and has a saline concentration of around 1.5% or so is indicated in Light of some of the references below.

Hypertonic saline solution inhibits SARS-CoV-2 in vitro assay https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.04.235549v2 Our data shows that 260 mM NaCl (1.5%) inhibits 100% SARS-CoV-2 replication in Vero cells. Furthermore, our results suggest that the virus replication inhibition is due to an intracellular mechanism and not due to the dissociation between spike SARS-CoV-2 protein and its human receptor angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 interaction. NaCl depolarizes the plasma membrane supposedly associated with the inhibition of the SARS-CoV-2 life cycle. This observation could lead to simple, safe and low cost interventions at various stages of COVID-19 treatment, improving the prognosis of infected patients, thereby mitigating the social and economic costs of the pandemic. note: saline does not block viral entry via ACE2.

note: when the cell is "flooded" with hypertonic saline it redirects cell energy the virus is using for replication and uses that cell energy to re-balance the sodium concentration in the cell thereby stopping viral replication use of that cell energy as this "re-balance" process proceeds.

SARS-CoV-2 requires acidic pH to infect cells https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36048924/ "we show that fusion and genome penetration require virion exposure to an acidic milieu of pH 6.2 to 6.8, .... . We define a key role of an acidic environment for successful infection, found in endosomal compartments and at the surface of TMPRSS2-expressing cells in the acidic milieu of the nasal cavity." "pH catheter placed in the left and right nasal cavities of 17 healthy male and female volunteers, we found a mildly acidic pH of around 6.6"

Lowering the transmission and spread of human coronavirus https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26514 " A 1% baby shampoo nasal rinse solution inactivated HCoV greater than 99.9% with a 2-min contact time."

I also ignore (EXCEPT FOR A BIT OF TRUTH NOTED BELOW) such as this typical mis dis mal information "study" from bioweapon baric and the bioweapon baric gain of function gang and colleagues at the university of north carolina at chapel hill et al. "Pharmacokinetic‐based failure of a detergent virucidal for severe acute respiratory syndrome–coronavirus‐2 (SARS‐CoV‐2) nasal infections: A preclinical study and randomized controlled trial" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9011886/ ( SOUNDS REAL "OFFICIAL") They started the trial much much too late to show benefit and they only tested for viral load reduction in nasal cells just inside the opening of the nostrils. The only area tested was "(about 2cm) or until you feel resistance". into the nose "with self‐administered mid‐turbinate swabs"

"The primary outcome measure in the clinical trial was change in SARS‐CoV‐2 viral load over 21 days" The earliest swabbing was 3 to 4 days after they tested positive so perhaps 10 days after infection - so way too late. People collected and then stored the swabs at home for weeks.before sending them in. Wonder of wonder no difference between the control and "experimental" groups.

BIT OF TRUTH from the "study" note: J&J = Johnson & Johnson regular baby shampoo "(Figure 2A,B). Having identified a nontoxic concentration of J&J/S (½ tsp J&J/240 ml saline), we then showed that this concentration of J&J/S exhibited robust virucidal activity against SARS‐CoV‐2 at varying titers (Figure 2C). Further assays of virucidal activity demonstrated that this concentration was also virucidal in vitro against NL63 coronavirus and respiratory syncytial virus (Supplementary Figure 2A,B).

note: they used 2 packets of NeiMed saline mix in 240mL of water to make a hypertonic saline - 1 packet in 240mL / 8 fluid ounces / 1 cup makes normal saline.

As we know "they" also did this type study to discredit all Real early treatment, Real ER treatment, Real in hospital treatment and most everything actually useful to stop hospitalization and death including a povidone-iodine is bad study and even setting up a linked "povidone-iodine is bad " website to push it. All adding evidence in the Provable - Depraved-heart mass murder of millions. see Depraved-heart murder definition at wickedpedia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder

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Wonder if a salt rinse wouldn't work just as well

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It will help. Adding 1% regular Johnson's baby shampoo to saline turns saline into a viral killer.

Adding 1/2 tsp baking soda to 1 cup of saline also helps. See my post just below yours if you want more details.

It starts with "Yes, PREVENTION. It has worked for me."

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Thank you. Fortunately I bought 6 bottles when Pierre Kory announced this in 2021 haha and I still haven't used them all... I need to give bottles of mouthwash for free or as gifts to ppl

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Ppl can buy from CofixRx the nasal spray and throat spray too. It's expensive but has d3 and iodine

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Please take a look at what I just posted in these comments. My post starts with "Yes, PREVENTION. It has worked for me." It includes details on how to make antiviral sprays and how to use them.

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🤣 'Wild type'...ok.

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side effects?

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This link is irrelevant - and about gmail. Is this what you meant to send?

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So sorry -I'm not computer literate! [didn't get anything after 'is this what you meant to send?' either!] Thought it would link to Dr Paul Alexander's article relating to Cetylpyridinium Choloride reducing oligodendrocytes , after 10 doses, in mice brains [ie highly toxic] - article about hand sanitizers so imagine if you're ingesting it through your mouth membrane!

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yes - does not sound good for human beings. Thanks for summary.

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This link is irrelevant - and about gmail. Is this what you meant to send?

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Well done on your continued search for ways to address the challenges of the spike protein. However, mouthwashes are not without their issues and effects on our health. I will put up as a note on substack.

I think mouthwashes may indeed help reduce someone who has Covid from spreading it, but in terms of prophlyaxis, ivermectin is the best theraputic for someone with a weak immune system, say if one was visiting a Covid ward ( https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347890660_COVID-19_EFFICACY_OF_PRE-EXPOSURE_PROPHYLAXIS_WITH_IVERMECTIN_IN_EXPOSED_PERSONS ).

Lastly, well done again on your work. If I could please make a suggestion, might it be possible for you to look for research on ways of minimising or even undoing some of the harms to fertility done by the spike protein? I think this will, sadly, be a growing issue for those presently under 40. Some of this may relate to persistence of the spike protein, PEG nanoparticles, conditions other than booster injections which may lead to further spike protein production in the body, and the inheritability of such production (and related).

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thanks, but sorry, I don't use gmail. If your comment is that only salt water rinse is needed, I agree. I only use povidone-iodine if that fails

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Article by Dr Paul Alexander regarding hand sanitizers that had Cetylpyridinium chloride as an ingredient. After 10 doses in mice they found it to reduce oligodendrocytes in their brains proving toxicity and brain function reduction. Imagine what it may be able to do by using it as a mouthwash and it being absorbed by your mouth lining ie bypassing the blood brain barrier?

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Okay. I've followed the trail, and think your concern is well founded, and that Walter should look at this. The short version is that there are a number of QACs (quaternary ammonium compounds) which give great cause for concern. Paul Alexander's article quotes a Dr Mercola article posted on Discern Report which quotes a university press release, but I found a preprint of the actual article here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368465698_Pervasive_environmental_chemicals_impair_oligodendrocyte_development I'll post links for the other 2 below

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FYI Works but stains your teeth if used regularly. Swish, wait, then rinse well with water after, imo.

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